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Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 28/05/2007 00:02:36 Originally by: CCP kieron Originally by: Fofalus Also the response to the deleted petition a separate issue or is just being buried with this one? It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. So they weren't deleted, they were ignored. God knows it's happened to me before.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: UnIQu3 Keiron told us during the T20 affair that it was impossible for a Dev to spawn BPO's and that it was all GoonSwarm's fault anyway because they talked about it on the forums and then BAM T20 admits to having spawned BPO's. He did not spawn them, he made changes so that he would have a higher chance of getting BPOs in the lottery. Big difference. You're still defending t20 and BoB for the admitted and proven cheating? Why?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Please Read.. Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. Um, here another quote also : "Is your character stuck in space or station and cant play the game?. These petitions will be given high priority. Please be advised that petitions filed here regarding other issues than stuck characters will be deleted and repeated attempts may lead to an official warning." Please note the "will be deleted" part. Cough Hoooof- emphasizing this .
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:04:00 - [4] Originally by: pator gurl Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Please Read.. Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. Um, here another quote also : "Is your character stuck in space or station and cant play the game?. These petitions will be given high priority. Please be advised that petitions filed here regarding other issues than stuck characters will be deleted and repeated attempts may lead to an official warning." Please note the "will be deleted" part. Cough It's a metaphor for "closing" the petition. Which means the petition still exists in the database and can be looked up in the future. However CCP should really rename that part of the text. So what do you think DS1 meant by 'petition was deleted'?' It means that it was "closed" and never heard about again. They would never know whether it was deleted, or closed, or what, and it's cowardly of CCP to try to squeeze out of this on wordplay.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Trishan Originally by: Popsikle What about the transaction logs, and the query logs, and the one way traffic (insert only) that may exist, or the fact that even to attempt a delete you have to have the grants to do so? Or in all your experience have you never worked on a multi-cluster sized database with hundreds of users for permissions and stored sequences that cant be modified to prevent too much "user access" to the databases? Its ok, it seems like all the paranoid skitzos that are trying to muddle CCP seem to forget evidence and facts along the way. well said As far as I can tell we have been provided with barely no evidence, and that all was ok because IA looked at it and found no problem. So between the <allegations> and <investigation> there is a huuuuge void, which should have a bridge called trust across it. Unfortunately that bridge was torn down some time ago and has been slowly deteriorating. Thus, people will fill the void with whatever they can think of, be it right or wrong. And maybe eventually there will be such an amount of junk filling that void that it will be impossible to cross from one place to another.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:22:00 - [6] Originally by: mr bighelmet Originally by: Trishan Originally by: Popsikle What about the transaction logs, and the query logs, and the one way traffic (insert only) that may exist, or the fact that even to attempt a delete you have to have the grants to do so? Or in all your experience have you never worked on a multi-cluster sized database with hundreds of users for permissions and stored sequences that cant be modified to prevent too much "user access" to the databases? Its ok, it seems like all the paranoid skitzos that are trying to muddle CCP seem to forget evidence and facts along the way. As far as I can tell we have been provided with barely no evidence, and that all was ok because IA looked at it and found no problem. So between the <allegations> and <investigation> there is a huuuuge void, which should have a bridge called trust across it. Unfortunately that bridge was torn down some time ago and has been slowly deteriorating. Thus, people will fill the void with whatever they can think of, be it right or wrong. And maybe eventually there will be such an amount of junk filling that void that it will be impossible to cross from one place to another. No flame but if you dont trust CCP IA then you should probably leave the game, at a certain point you need to feel that the company you buy from (And you buy the game monthly) is a company you can trust, if you can't feel a minimal level of trust then there really no way you can enjoy the product you buy, from that point on you are wasting the money your paying for the company. Good point- that's why I'm leaving if all we get is questionably accurate excuses from Kieron. We're smart enough that the half-truths aren't going to cut it, and investigating within the system you have now is not enough. Changes have to be made.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Namingway Originally by: MC Smith Edited by: MC Smith on 28/05/2007 07:46:20 Originally by: CCP kieron It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless. All issues with the Sharkbait incident aside, are we seriously supposed to believe that you can not delete data from a computer?! How stupid do you think we are? Well, you seem to think it's possible to remove all traces of inofrmation from a DB made to never lose it. I'm more interested in WHAT actually happened to the petition. So fine, maybe it wasn't deleted from the database. It just went the way of all the ignored petitions I've had in the past (all 2 of them). What way is that? Dunno...
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Divorce By the looks of this Goons have not only lost in game, but out of game as well. Because it's over in both of those places, isn't it? Idiot.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Dominique Parr Originally by: wer klop It's quite simple - CCP must not let their staff play the game. Until they make this happen they will always be subject to suspicion whether justified or not. To deny the developers and employees to share in the fruits of their labor is just wrong. The work constantly on this game. Their every actions are judged and scrutinized and they have to deal with the belligerent customers day in and day out. Why should they give up the ability to enjoy the end results of their work? Why do you care?

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